Episode Transcript
[00:00:18] Speaker A: She comes along she gets inside she makes you better than any anything you.
[00:00:33] Speaker B: Tried.
[00:00:36] Speaker A: It'S in a kiss the blackest.
[00:00:42] Speaker C: Sea.
[00:00:45] Speaker A: And it runs deeper than you dare to dream it could be.
[00:00:57] Speaker B: This.
[00:00:57] Speaker A: Time I'm not coming back she will die you go.
[00:01:08] Speaker B: Welcome back to Nailed Even deeper where we go beyond the halos welcome back, Jess.
[00:01:18] Speaker C: Welcome back, Blake.
[00:01:20] Speaker B: What is this one, anyway?
[00:01:23] Speaker C: Well, this one was an opportunity for me to take a little research break.
[00:01:28] Speaker B: Well, you still research, so it's not really a break.
[00:01:30] Speaker C: A little bit. I did, like, barely anything. But I thought for this episode, we could spend some more time than we usually do with some of the sonic inspirations and maybe references.
For the music of the With Teeth era, it seemed like he focused on a particular kind of era, for the most part, type of certain genre. Like a post punky kind of genre.
[00:01:58] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:01:58] Speaker C: And I feel like there's a lot going on in this album that maybe I wasn't aware of and that I needed someone with a more discerning ear to help me pick these things out.
[00:02:09] Speaker B: I don't know about that, but, you.
[00:02:11] Speaker C: Know, I can hear some of it in there.
[00:02:13] Speaker B: But some of it was your discovery. A lot of it was so or.
[00:02:18] Speaker C: Just stuff I read, but yeah.
[00:02:21] Speaker B: And With Teeth doesn't really sound like post punk music to me. No, but you can be influenced in something and.
Well, sometimes I think about this. If you're a person who makes music, you can say, I love the Cars. I'm gonna make a song that sounds just like the Cars.
And you start writing, composing, whatever, recording.
I find that most good artists end up just sounding like themselves.
Reznor ends up sounding like himself every time.
[00:03:02] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:03:03] Speaker B: You don't end up sounding like what you originally were trying to go for. If you do, it's just kind of like a. It's almost like you're doing a parody or silly pastiche. I think it's better to sound like yourself.
[00:03:15] Speaker C: Yeah. Do you know that if I remember correctly, I think it was Jonathan Richmond of Modern Lovers fame who started playing and recording. He thought his music sounded like Velvet Underground, like he was a big fan of them, and so he was trying to imitate them.
[00:03:31] Speaker B: I think everyone was.
[00:03:33] Speaker C: Well, that's true. But I mean, he was very open about it.
[00:03:36] Speaker B: Yeah. But he didn't really exactly end up sounding.
[00:03:39] Speaker C: Oh, no, not at all. He sounded like himself.
[00:03:41] Speaker B: Yeah. He has his own signature thing. Lou Reed has his own thing. I think some of the stuff we're going to listen to, something reminded me of Lou Reed and I Forgot what it was, but we'll get to it.
[00:03:52] Speaker C: It's kind of.
[00:03:53] Speaker B: It might have been.
[00:03:54] Speaker C: Vu is kind of considered like, you know, Proto punk.
[00:03:56] Speaker B: Yeah, but Lou Reed has such a strange voice that if someone sounds like him, it's going to stand out. I think it was Marky Mark or whatever the fuck his name was.
[00:04:06] Speaker C: It's not Marky Mark. Mark E. Smith.
[00:04:08] Speaker B: Mark E. Smith. M A R K Y. Smith.
[00:04:12] Speaker C: That's not how you of the fall. That's not how you spell his name.
[00:04:16] Speaker B: I'm dropping in New sensation. What's that song?
[00:04:20] Speaker C: What are you talking about?
[00:04:22] Speaker B: Dropping in the Funky Bunch Drop.
[00:04:24] Speaker C: Oh, Good Vibrations. Oh, my gosh. Same time. Wow.
[00:04:31] Speaker B: Jinx. Okay. I just did a Good Vibrations drop.
Man, Mark Mark Wahlberg sucks. This is a more free form.
[00:04:40] Speaker C: This is what happens when Blake takes control.
[00:04:43] Speaker B: Yeah. No script.
[00:04:45] Speaker C: I don't have a script either.
[00:04:46] Speaker B: No outline is what I meant to say.
[00:04:48] Speaker C: I would sound a lot smarter if I had a script.
[00:04:51] Speaker B: But this is why Marky Mark sucks. I heard that he has publicly stated he regrets doing Boogie Nights. By far and away the best role he has ever had.
[00:05:04] Speaker C: He actually said that the movie that gave him his career and is definitely.
[00:05:08] Speaker B: He has that movie to thank. That he's anything other than he was.
[00:05:13] Speaker C: Kind of. No offense. I don't want to be mean, but you know, he was a clueless joke.
[00:05:17] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:05:17] Speaker C: Is Marky Mark gonna. But never mind.
[00:05:20] Speaker B: Because he's so.
You know how he is now.
He doesn't want to be associated with the pornography Ding Dong movie.
[00:05:30] Speaker C: It wasn't really his Ding Dong.
[00:05:32] Speaker B: No. He wants people to believe it was his Ding Dong in Boogie Nights. But we know it was a prosthetic. I listened to the commentary.
[00:05:40] Speaker C: Okay. So this is a lot.
[00:05:42] Speaker B: Okay. So I'm. This is what people tune in for. They say they like to hear us talk.
So Trent Reznor has stated a lot of different influences. Well, a handful of influences.
Stuff he was. Maybe it was more just stuff he was listening to between the Fragile and With Teeth eras. Or maybe right prior to recording With Teeth. And it was fresh in his mind. So he wants to talk about it Seems to be in the post punk, most of it. That kind of vein.
[00:06:16] Speaker C: So what's the first band that you have?
[00:06:18] Speaker B: No, hang on. I don't have them in a great order.
[00:06:20] Speaker C: Okay.
[00:06:21] Speaker B: Do you want to talk about the vocal affectation? And by that I mean this one.
[00:06:30] Speaker C: Yeah, we can talk about it.
[00:06:32] Speaker B: Just threw up.
[00:06:34] Speaker C: I thought we would save the best for last, but no, let's Start up with let's start off with a bang.
[00:06:39] Speaker B: I know there's better stuff than this.
So you kind of got obsessed with this and started looking for.
[00:06:47] Speaker C: Okay, okay.
[00:06:49] Speaker B: Every artist who's ever done.
[00:06:50] Speaker C: Here's why I got briefly obsessed with this. It's because it is a vocal affectation that Reznor, at least that I've noticed, has never done to this extent and with so much emphasis on it. And there has to be a reason he's doing it this way other than just saying with teeth.
[00:07:09] Speaker B: I think saying with teeth is a very boring chorus.
[00:07:13] Speaker C: Well, I think this chorus is kind of boring anyway.
[00:07:14] Speaker B: Well, yeah. I mean, did he end up with the world's best chorus? No, not at all. But less boring than just saying with teeth four times.
[00:07:25] Speaker C: So I became obsessed with it and was trying to. Like. It's been in the back of my mind for a long time. In fact, I would say it was this chorus that repelled me from this album for a very long time. And I also want to say here's. There's a reason why. It's because I do this weird thing in my brain where I just hear, like, a phrase or something, and I just repeat it over and over and over. And so in my head, it sounds a lot worse. Like, it's really, like, stressed that. Those are really stressed in my brain, more so than they actually are. So when I listen to the song, I'm like, oh, this isn't as annoying as I remember. But then I get away from it, and I'm like, man, I don't like that song. It's so annoying. It is a weird thing in my brain.
[00:08:11] Speaker B: You got to confront the piece of art to calibrate your opinion a little better. You get too far away from it, your memory starts playing tricks on you.
[00:08:20] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:08:21] Speaker B: So can I give my theory? It's not theory, but.
[00:08:26] Speaker C: Well, I don't really have a theory either, but, yeah, go.
[00:08:29] Speaker B: It's just that. Why it sticks out. You already know this, but why it sticks out so much?
First of all, I think it's just a thing in rock. Mostly in rock. Probably some other genres.
[00:08:42] Speaker C: Probably a lot, actually. I would say hip hop and rap, too.
[00:08:45] Speaker B: Yeah, probably. Where the vocalist will add syllables at the end of their words or even in between or whatever. Or before to.
And as you found, especially in punk, to really emphasize. I'm spitting this out to punctuate and make it sound like their words are more aggressive than they are. And we'll play some examples, and it's all over music but it's so subtle in many cases that you're not really gonna. It doesn't stand out.
[00:09:19] Speaker C: It just stands out here. Because it's not something he does.
[00:09:21] Speaker B: Exactly. Then that's why it stands out. I can't think of another example of Trent doing it. And he goes way harder on it than the average rock vocalist. It's not a subtle little.
So instead of just talking, we should play some stuff. Right.
Okay. So the offending title phrase, Utterance with the Teeth Ether. Good Lord, listen to how long that A Reverb Tale is I went through.
[00:09:55] Speaker C: Because I was trying to stick to the post punk, punky world, since that's kind of what Reznor was really listening to. And I have a friend who is probably the biggest the Fall fan ever.
And Dan from Springfood.
[00:10:14] Speaker B: Oh, okay.
[00:10:15] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:10:15] Speaker B: Logan is a big the Fall fan. And one of these songs he put on one of our Halloween mixes that we do.
[00:10:22] Speaker C: Was it Bill is Dead?
[00:10:23] Speaker B: No, I'll talk about it when we get there.
[00:10:25] Speaker C: Okay. So he had made like, an ultimate the Fall playlist and shared a link with me on Spotify. And so I was listening to it. And what's funny is I think I'd had a compilation of theirs, like, a really, really long time ago when I was getting into, like, post punk stuff. I just never really got into it. But I was listening to this. And it's usually while I'm working, when I'm listening to something new. Sometimes, like, I just can't make up my mind. So I'll throw on a playlist. And so this is just like passively playing behind me a lot. And one day I was listening and I was like, wait a second, I hear something.
Like. It suddenly hit me what he was doing with his vocals.
So this is. Do you have an example of Mark E. Smith from the Fall?
[00:11:07] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:11:07] Speaker C: Okay.
[00:11:08] Speaker B: Okay. Frightened is the one I'll do first.
[00:11:11] Speaker C: Okay.
[00:11:11] Speaker B: And do we say that Trent explicitly said he was listening to the Fall or.
[00:11:18] Speaker C: I don't think he did.
[00:11:19] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:11:20] Speaker C: I can't remember, though.
[00:11:21] Speaker B: We're just kind of speculating here.
[00:11:24] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:11:24] Speaker B: Which. Okay. But they are in that vein of post punk stuff.
The song's called Frightened. This was on the Halloween mix.
[00:11:32] Speaker C: Ah, okay.
[00:11:33] Speaker B: The first time I ever heard it, I found it to be extremely boring. It's like this three note keyboard repetition.
Some of their stuff shows more musicianship later down the line, and they're all over the place.
[00:11:48] Speaker C: But this, I'm just.
[00:11:49] Speaker B: I can't stand this. Anyway, listen to how he vocalizes Summer's.
[00:11:55] Speaker D: Always on my tracks and in a dark room you'd see more than you think.
I'm out of my place, gotta get back.
I sweated a lot. You could feel the violence.
[00:12:19] Speaker C: Oh, that's a good one.
[00:12:20] Speaker B: Okay, so the song only does that for four minutes.
[00:12:23] Speaker C: Yeah. And so Markie Smith was also one of those people who saw the Sex Pistol show in Manchester and went out and formed a band. Right. That was like the big joke.
[00:12:32] Speaker B: That's the legend.
[00:12:33] Speaker C: The legend is that everyone who went to that show.
I don't know if it's a joke or a legend, but it seems very strange that all these people saw this show at such a formative moment in their lives and were inspired to form a band.
[00:12:45] Speaker B: See a dramatization of it in the movie 24 Hour Party People, which I think is a really good movie.
[00:12:52] Speaker C: It is a good movie.
So in that crowd at that Sex Pistol show, I mean you had like Ian Curtis and Bernard Sumner and Peter Hook, you know, who formed Joy Division. And Markie Smith was also there and I think Pete Shelley of the Buzzcocks was there.
[00:13:08] Speaker B: It's crazy that all these talented musicians were there to see such a shitty ass band.
[00:13:13] Speaker C: Well, what is one of the shitty ass band's most famous songs?
[00:13:17] Speaker B: Anarchy in the uk. Is that what you're getting at?
[00:13:19] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:13:20] Speaker B: Okay.
I think he's doing it to give him more opportunity to spit.
[00:13:33] Speaker C: That's probably correct, actually. He's probably just spitting all over. I was just Matlock in the studio.
[00:13:39] Speaker B: I was just recently thinking about Freaks and Geeks, how the dad's like Elvis didn't expectorate all over his fans saying Sex Pistols are no good because they spit on their fans. Actually they're no good because their music is trash.
[00:13:55] Speaker C: Okay.
[00:13:56] Speaker B: And they're posers.
[00:14:00] Speaker C: So I messaged our friend Joshua, used to be on Are youe There? Pod with me was a co host and one of our best friends, owner of Bookmarks and the famous Captain Springfield.
[00:14:12] Speaker B: His cap won a vote, a town wide vote to be called Captain Springfield. The first cat to win.
[00:14:20] Speaker C: He's our Captain Springfield.
It's a real honorary title. And the other cat, Squash, who is also very cool. And then there's the mean one, Pushkin. We don't talk about Pushkin much though.
[00:14:31] Speaker B: We need to talk about Pushkin.
[00:14:34] Speaker C: I said, hey, you're a big punker. Question, how many punk singers can you think of who did that weird affectation like Johnny Rock Rotten or Markie Smith or they did this at the end of Words like, I am the Antichrist. Christ, I am an anarchist.
And Joshua said, I'm not sure, but I know that one John Arnett did when he sang because he was trying to be Johnny Rotten. That's his brother.
[00:14:56] Speaker B: That's Josh's big brother.
[00:14:58] Speaker C: So probably a whole bunch for a while until someone points out how they need to stop because what they are doing is obvious.
And I told him that Trent Reznor does it very explicitly on a song and it drives me up the wall. And the song is on a very post punk inspired album and I'm trying to figure out why the fuck he did it.
[00:15:17] Speaker B: Yeah, I love it.
[00:15:18] Speaker C: And I can only think that it's an homage to those punk singers. So I was trying to think of some without having to go digging too far. And Josh said, I assume that he's only. Sorry. I assume that he's doing it on purpose because he thinks it's funny. Only accepted reason to do it is as a bit, all caps.
[00:15:37] Speaker B: That may not be entirely wrong that he thought it was funny. He likes to work his sense of humor into songs every once in a while.
That's not a bad explanation because. Yeah, it's very, very planned.
I'm trying to see if I have. Oh, I do have other good examples of the. What do we. I don't know what to call this phenomenon.
[00:16:00] Speaker C: The affectation.
[00:16:01] Speaker B: The added.
[00:16:02] Speaker C: I don't know, the.
There's probably. Definitely a term for it.
[00:16:07] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:16:08] Speaker C: Some kind of stressed.
[00:16:11] Speaker B: So okay, this one's interesting to me because we just heard James Murphy of LCD Sound System do some remixes reimaginings of the Hand that Feeds as one.
[00:16:23] Speaker C: Of the co producers of the DFA. Yeah.
[00:16:26] Speaker B: And same year as with teeth 2005, he was sounding like this.
[00:16:34] Speaker D: My house.
I'll show you the ropes, kids. Show you the ropes.
Got a bus and a trailer.
[00:16:45] Speaker B: Few examples.
[00:16:47] Speaker D: My house.
Show you the ropes.
[00:16:51] Speaker C: That it's not as like the last overly emphasized as Reznor does.
[00:16:57] Speaker B: Now listen to these last few.
[00:16:58] Speaker C: Okay.
[00:16:59] Speaker D: Show you the ropes.
My house.
[00:17:04] Speaker B: When he says my house, I'm like, what are you. Are we talking about the Japanese horror movie?
What's going on here? Hausu.
[00:17:14] Speaker C: I know what Hausu is.
[00:17:16] Speaker B: Yeah, a lot of people are gonna think that joke is real good.
[00:17:19] Speaker C: Okay.
[00:17:20] Speaker B: I can't wait for the comments to roll in.
Maybe he's just a fan of that movie. I know I have. I have other fall stuff. I called this Selections from Curious Orange. They didn't spell those words right.
[00:17:37] Speaker C: No, they didn't.
[00:17:38] Speaker D: You were curious orange.
Curious orange.
[00:17:53] Speaker B: So this guy's so bad about it. It's basically the end of every line.
[00:17:57] Speaker C: Yeah, but I never really noticed it before because he does it all the time. Like, except for Playa, Bill is dead.
[00:18:06] Speaker D: Last week after a dentist, I had crow's feet under my eyes.
Head to base, forgetting high.
[00:18:23] Speaker C: This could be a different band.
[00:18:27] Speaker B: Yeah. And there I have two vocalists in mind that aren't the one that you're gonna say, but go ahead.
[00:18:31] Speaker C: Stephen Malchmus immediately.
[00:18:33] Speaker B: Yeah, I do hear that a little.
[00:18:34] Speaker C: That could be a cut from, like. That could be a cut from Crooked Rain. Crooked Rain. Like, it's.
[00:18:39] Speaker B: I don't know about that.
[00:18:40] Speaker C: Okay.
[00:18:41] Speaker B: I do hear a little influence. The two vocalists. That makes me think of Lou Reed. That's the one I was thinking of earlier.
2. Robert Smith, a little bit.
I have a few more full. This one has an insane title. I'm trying to remember why I clipped it out.
Oh, this is maybe more like sound influence. Do we want to wait for that?
[00:19:04] Speaker C: We can go into it if you have clips.
[00:19:06] Speaker B: Let me just play it here. Okay, let's get all the fall stuff. Listen to the. Okay. Listen to these fake hi hats. Like, where. Who do we know who loves those?
[00:19:25] Speaker C: I like the hand claps.
[00:19:27] Speaker B: I do, too. And the little bell loop thing.
[00:19:32] Speaker C: What track was this?
[00:19:34] Speaker B: It's called CD Wind Fall 2088 AD.
[00:19:38] Speaker C: I think I sent that to you.
[00:19:40] Speaker B: Yeah, you did.
[00:19:40] Speaker C: It had a really weird name. I couldn't remember the name of it.
[00:19:43] Speaker B: But I can definitely hear Reznorian stuff there, you know, Totally Wired as another one I clipped.
[00:19:50] Speaker D: I'm totally wired, totally wired I'm totally wired, totally wired can't you see a butterfly stomach round ground?
I drank a jar of coffee and then I took some of these and I'm totally wired, Totally wired.
[00:20:26] Speaker B: He did a little bit of the affectation, but not much. What, were we comparing that one to Pavement again?
[00:20:31] Speaker C: No, I just sent it to you for the affectation. That was a more.
[00:20:34] Speaker B: Oh, really? I thought you were comparing it to something.
[00:20:36] Speaker C: No, I wasn't. Sorry.
[00:20:38] Speaker B: It's okay.
[00:20:39] Speaker C: Okay, what else we got?
[00:20:43] Speaker B: Speaking of wires, the band called Wire. Ah, the Wire is a show about a wire.
The band's just called Wire? No, the.
[00:20:54] Speaker C: Yeah, so I know Wire because when I was, like, in junior high, I was obsessed with Elastica. And Alaska has a hit song called Connection. And I later. There was a lawsuit, I believe. I later found out that she took the riff or wasn't. Or the riff was heavily Inspired by. But she basically took it. I'm not gonna. I mean, it's. Anyway, she took the riff from one of their songs called. Is it Three Girl Rumba. Okay. And so for the song Connection, she did it also in another song. I think it was human. And I can't remember the Wire song off the top of my head right now. And there might be a couple more.
[00:21:30] Speaker B: Both from that band.
[00:21:31] Speaker C: She fucking must love Wire.
[00:21:33] Speaker B: But I'll play the comparison. But listen, for this, that. It's. They take a guitar riff and in the case of Connection, play it on what sounds like Casio keyboard guitar preset.
So the first one is Wire that you'll hear, and then. Then you'll hear Elastica.
Different key.
[00:22:07] Speaker C: I love it, though.
I love both. They're both great.
[00:22:12] Speaker B: Like that drum machine, too.
This is a classic song.
[00:22:19] Speaker C: When will the Zoomers discover Elastica?
[00:22:22] Speaker B: She changed it up a little bit.
[00:22:24] Speaker C: A little bit. She changed it up like vanilla icing in his dings.
[00:22:27] Speaker B: You know, this is way more of a change up.
[00:22:29] Speaker C: No, it is. But I think there was still a.
[00:22:33] Speaker B: I want to know if that lawsuit was won or not.
[00:22:36] Speaker C: I think they did. I think they have writing credits on her music.
[00:22:39] Speaker B: See, I hate how people weasel their way into a writing credit because then you just get royalties forever, even though you may not really deserve it. But I've already talked about that shit.
[00:22:47] Speaker C: Justine's okay. You know what? She dropped out of the music world after getting MIA on her way and came to America and went to poetry school and married an environmental scientist. So she's doing fine.
[00:23:01] Speaker B: Nice.
[00:23:04] Speaker C: She makes art now. But anyway, Wire.
[00:23:06] Speaker B: Also the Wire. Oh, I can't. I keep saying the. Also by Wire. He said he was listening to an album by them that had just come out a couple years prior to with teeth. Right.
[00:23:19] Speaker C: It's called Send.
[00:23:20] Speaker B: Yeah, we're skipping way ahead in time to 2003.
[00:23:22] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:23:23] Speaker B: The album Send. And listen to a track called Mr. Marx's Table and see if you can tell me. Not you, Jess, but the listener, what this sounds like.
It's a little faster.
The Wire one is maybe a little faster and maybe even heavier, but they even. Both of them even have that kind of slapstick sounding snare hit. Like he even kind of. Kind of borrowed that sound as well, the kick and snare. But, yeah, that was pretty striking, that similarity there. Was that one already discovered or did you figure it out?
[00:24:27] Speaker C: I haven't read Ahead on NI N Wiki for this song yet.
[00:24:30] Speaker B: Let's add that one to Ninwiki. And that's beside you and Todd.
[00:24:34] Speaker C: Well, I don't know if it is because I haven't read it. I haven't read that.
[00:24:37] Speaker B: Well, if it's not, let's add it beside you in time, Paige.
[00:24:42] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:24:43] Speaker B: And that's one of my favorite parts of the entire With Teeth album.
[00:24:46] Speaker C: Me too.
[00:24:46] Speaker B: I didn't know it was stolen.
Not stolen, but just influenced.
[00:24:51] Speaker C: Nothing's created in a vacuum.
[00:24:54] Speaker B: True. We all have our little influences.
Should we go back in time again and talk about Gang of Four?
[00:25:01] Speaker C: Sure.
[00:25:02] Speaker B: So Trent said he was listening to Gang of Four.
Very, very widely known.
[00:25:09] Speaker C: An early post punk.
[00:25:11] Speaker B: Critically acclaimed.
[00:25:13] Speaker C: Early post punk.
[00:25:16] Speaker B: Yeah. You know, everybody and their dad are influenced by them now or. Or say they are.
[00:25:21] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:25:21] Speaker B: And Trent among them. He was apparently listening to what was their debut album called Entertainment.
[00:25:27] Speaker C: I don't know if that's. When he didn't name an album, I just.
[00:25:29] Speaker B: Oh, okay. But we did. We might have found a few similarities in that album.
[00:25:35] Speaker C: Go for it.
[00:25:36] Speaker B: Okay. A few interesting things. I'm going to play a clip from Gang of Four's Entertainment and then play a clip right after it of something from Nine Inch Nails with Teeth. And this song is called Naturals. Not in it.
Okay. There. I didn't pitch shift it. The same key. It's not that big of a connection, but it did stand out to me.
I mean, yeah, there's something there, right?
[00:26:30] Speaker C: Yep.
[00:26:44] Speaker B: I guess it's worth noting it's a bass, and on Gang of Four, it's a guitar. But, you know, same notes.
[00:26:52] Speaker C: Like, you know, it was a keyboard for Elastica, whereas for Wire it was the guitar.
[00:26:56] Speaker B: I think it's dcd.
Then in that same song, Natural's not in it. I heard another similarity that may surprise you, and it's in the bass part.
Once again, same key and everything. Listen closely to the bass guitar. Tell me if you hear it.
[00:27:22] Speaker C: It's so hard to hear, but I. I can barely hear.
[00:27:25] Speaker B: It stood out to me. I guess I should have pulled somewhere. I have, like, AI separated clips of just the bass guitar. I guess I could have pulled that out.
It's a really similar run of notes in the same key again. It's not some, like, smoking gun.
[00:27:52] Speaker C: It could just be my hearing because I tend to tune things out like men's voices.
[00:27:59] Speaker B: And this is way below the. Below the register of a man. Voices.
[00:28:04] Speaker C: You can barely hear it.
[00:28:05] Speaker B: Okay, but. Okay. I don't know. I thought there was something there. I just thought it was weird that in the same song I heard Two Nine Inch Nails comps.
[00:28:16] Speaker C: That's pretty interesting.
[00:28:18] Speaker B: And I listened to the rest of the album. I. I didn't hear anything that jumped out like that. But just as something he was listening to. Sure.
I mean, this record is more of a rock band record than anything he had done by far. I mean, as a live drummer, for God's sake. When had that live drummer had never happened in Nine Inch Nails. Except a very few instances that I could probably count on one hand right now. Piggy solo by Trent himself.
The late Bill Rieflin playing on La Mer.
There's some B side stuff that.
[00:29:01] Speaker C: I mean, there's other stuff.
[00:29:03] Speaker B: Plus appendage kind of sounds live.
[00:29:05] Speaker C: I didn't create my list of live drums. I should do that, though.
[00:29:09] Speaker B: There's not a lot, but there's a lot of live one shots sequenced. Yes, but live parts. I'm forgetting a few that people will remind me of later.
[00:29:20] Speaker C: But do you know how I heard of Gang of Four? I'm so uncool.
[00:29:26] Speaker B: How?
[00:29:27] Speaker C: The Marie Antoinette soundtrack.
[00:29:29] Speaker B: Oh, what'd they play?
[00:29:30] Speaker C: Natural's not in it. Oh, the song that you pull all the clips from.
[00:29:34] Speaker B: That's probably why that riff sounded a little bit familiar.
[00:29:37] Speaker C: There's really great scenes when that plays. Great. I think there's. Is it a montage scene? I can't remember, but probably. There's a lot of cool montages in that movie.
[00:29:46] Speaker B: But anyway, yeah, probably a cover of I Want Candy.
[00:29:48] Speaker C: That wasn't a cover. That was actually Bow Wow Wow.
[00:29:52] Speaker B: Am I thinking of Aaron Carter?
The late Aaron Carter RIP I don't think.
[00:30:01] Speaker C: Did he do a Bow Wow Wow cover? He didn't.
[00:30:03] Speaker B: I feel like Aaron Carter did I Want Candy. Looking it up right now. Okay, maybe I'm confusing it with that's how I beat Shaq.
[00:30:11] Speaker C: Maybe One sec. Okay, Maybe he did. I don't know. I didn't really pay attention to Aaron Carter's. Well, you should have been career when I was, you know.
[00:30:19] Speaker B: I Want Candy.
[00:30:20] Speaker C: Almost adult song by Aaron Carter.
[00:30:23] Speaker B: Hey, Justin. Hey, it's Aaron. I can't come out tonight. I'm gonna see this girl.
No, no, her name is Candy. She's real cute. I gotta go. See ya.
I know a girl who's tough but sweet she's so fine she can't be beat I'm just reading the Google lyrics for I Want Candy by Aaron Carter. Same lyrics, except it has this.
[00:30:48] Speaker C: So it had a cool opening skit.
[00:30:51] Speaker B: At the beginning skit.
[00:30:52] Speaker C: You know what the best all time skit at the Beginning of a song is what? Bitchin Camaro.
[00:30:57] Speaker B: Oh, yeah.
[00:30:58] Speaker C: By Dan Milgram.
[00:30:59] Speaker B: That's so dumb.
[00:31:00] Speaker C: I love it.
Anyway, it's the only time I've ever gotten a John Hodgman on Judge John Hodgman. Whenever he would do the pre. Oh, that's the only time I've ever gotten one right. I'm really bad at those.
[00:31:12] Speaker B: I think I've gotten one or two right. Maybe.
[00:31:14] Speaker C: I think it was that it was very obvious to me that he and Jesse were doing a riff on Bitchin the. The skit at the beginning of Bitchin Camaro.
[00:31:21] Speaker B: Anyway, are they talking about going down to the shore or something?
[00:31:23] Speaker C: I can't remember what the case was. It was an early, early one. I haven't listened to that show in years.
[00:31:27] Speaker B: Neither vibe. But it's good.
[00:31:28] Speaker C: It is good. I remember enjoying it.
[00:31:30] Speaker B: Yep. Anyway, go listen to Judge John Hodgman.
[00:31:34] Speaker C: He's funny and smart and a good, fair judge. We need more judges like him.
[00:31:40] Speaker B: Yeah.
I want Candy. Aaron Carter song by Lizzie McGuire. No, I can't go down.
[00:31:46] Speaker C: You're going down some weird holes.
[00:31:48] Speaker B: Why does it say Lizzie McGuire getting smaller. We're getting to the end of the stuff I clipped out because a lot of this stuff, like Public Image Limited. Well, I'll be honest, I didn't get that deep into it, but a lot of the stuff I didn't find any.
[00:32:07] Speaker C: Glaring smoking guns, you know.
[00:32:09] Speaker B: But on Getting Smaller, there are a few.
And this is no secret. This has been. This comparison has been made. But should I do the Pixies getting smaller comparison?
[00:32:21] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:32:22] Speaker B: Okay. So a song I always loved by the Pixies called Planet of Sound from their last. Well, what was supposed to be their last album before they broke up.
Tromp Le Monde. Call Planet a sound, and then you'll hear Getting smaller.
It's funny that the rhyme is similar in that comparison there.
Trent's doing it, like, faster and more metal.
[00:33:06] Speaker C: Yeah, definitely.
[00:33:07] Speaker B: That's one of the most metal Pixies songs. That. And there's a song called, like, just. I think it's called Just Like Rock music or something from Bossa Nova. It's in a similar vein. It goes really hard. I think it's good.
[00:33:20] Speaker C: I really like Gauge Away.
[00:33:22] Speaker B: Gajowe is good.
[00:33:23] Speaker C: It's like the.
[00:33:24] Speaker B: They have a million great songs template.
[00:33:25] Speaker C: For every Nirvana song. Anyway, go on.
[00:33:29] Speaker B: Okay.
And. Okay. Should we talk about the Getting Smaller infamous lyrics.
[00:33:35] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:33:36] Speaker B: That everyone hates.
[00:33:37] Speaker C: I've never hated this lyric.
[00:33:40] Speaker B: It never bothered me.
[00:33:41] Speaker C: It never bothered me.
[00:33:42] Speaker B: But. Well, kind of like with Atha. Never bothered me much.
[00:33:46] Speaker C: But it bothered you.
[00:33:48] Speaker B: A lot of people give Trent a hard time for Got my arms that flip flop, flip flop, flip.
Say it's the stupidest lyric he ever wrote. He didn't write it. Folks, you gotta lighten up and let him off the hook, because he did not write it. It was an homage to a Peri Ubu song. Did I say that right?
[00:34:15] Speaker C: Sure.
[00:34:16] Speaker B: It was like a direct lifting. This isn't even subtle, but here they are.
[00:34:21] Speaker A: I got my arms flap, flop, flop, flop Fl.
[00:34:40] Speaker B: Okay. And that's Pear Ubu. What was that song called again? I didn't. I don't have it on my clip. I think it's called Flippy Floppy Arm.
[00:34:48] Speaker C: It's called Making Flippy Floppy.
[00:34:49] Speaker B: Yeah. We were listening to Stop Making Sense last night, and I thought maybe the Talking Head song Making Flippy Floppy influenced. But no, it was this navi. It's like navi, but with 2 Vs.
[00:35:06] Speaker C: Has 2 Vs. Navi.
[00:35:07] Speaker B: Navi. Like Avatar, aliens.
[00:35:09] Speaker C: He's got these. What's he saying? My arms and legs that flip flops.
[00:35:12] Speaker B: Got these arms and legs that flip flop, flip flop. He says it a few times. Yeah, but it's not just the arms. It's legs, too.
[00:35:18] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:35:19] Speaker B: Do you imagine Kermit the Frog doing his dance where his arms flop around?
Cause that's all I can think of now.
[00:35:26] Speaker C: Yeah, he did have scrawny little floppy arms, but he must have done some good huggin, because Miss Piggy loved him.
[00:35:33] Speaker B: So Trent's arms were not flopping?
[00:35:37] Speaker C: Not in this. They were hard as rocks, hard as boulders. You know what I mean?
[00:35:44] Speaker B: Yeah.
What do you think the lyric is talking about in both these cases, though?
[00:35:49] Speaker C: Oh, I'd have to study the.
[00:35:51] Speaker B: It's so strange. It's a strange thing character Ubu lyrics. I never really thought about it, but. Yeah, I don't know what they're. But I don't even know the context. I just pulled the clip.
[00:35:59] Speaker C: Yeah, well, we can think about it and talk about it again.
[00:36:02] Speaker B: Something to do with being helpless, being a puppet.
[00:36:08] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:36:08] Speaker B: Like Kermit.
[00:36:09] Speaker C: Just like Kermit.
[00:36:11] Speaker B: Feeling vulnerable, out of control.
Losing control.
Losing my grip.
[00:36:22] Speaker C: Mm.
[00:36:23] Speaker B: Because a Muppet doesn't have any grip. It can't grab anything.
It only has a little hand on a little pole that Jim Henson can move around. It can't really.
[00:36:34] Speaker C: That's true.
[00:36:35] Speaker B: And you know what they do? They.
They use the pole to make the hand touch something. Stop tape, glue it to the hand, roll tape again, like magic. It Looks like he picked up the cup or whatever.
That's how they did it. That's how the Hollywood tricks of the trade.
[00:36:58] Speaker C: Amazing.
[00:36:59] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:36:59] Speaker C: I didn't know that.
[00:37:00] Speaker B: So the Muppet was.
[00:37:01] Speaker C: I never thought about it, though. I was more of a Muppet Babies fan than I was, like, a Muppet puppets fan.
[00:37:08] Speaker B: And that was cheating because it was just animated. You could do whatever you want. You didn't have to have. They had legs.
[00:37:12] Speaker C: They had legs. They could ride. They could ride big wheels and tricycles.
[00:37:16] Speaker B: And speaking of legs, I mean, Nanny. What was her name?
[00:37:21] Speaker C: Wasn't it just Nanny?
[00:37:22] Speaker B: Nanny.
She had legs. They went all the way up.
[00:37:25] Speaker C: Didn't she wear, like, striped socks? Yeah, like a. Like, kind of like an emo goth mom.
[00:37:31] Speaker B: A lot of fetishes started there, maybe.
[00:37:34] Speaker C: I think she had, like, clunky shoes and striped socks.
[00:37:37] Speaker B: Yeah, she was a foot queen. You only saw that.
[00:37:40] Speaker C: Yeah, but you heard her voice. I think she spoke normally. It wasn't like a Charlie's Brown, Charlie Brown's parents situation where it was like.
[00:37:50] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:37:50] Speaker C: Anyway, sorry.
[00:37:51] Speaker B: God, I ran out of clips, I think.
[00:37:54] Speaker C: Where are we at in time?
[00:37:56] Speaker B: 50 minutes.
[00:37:57] Speaker C: Damn.
[00:37:57] Speaker B: We can fill a few more minutes if you think this episode's too short.
[00:38:02] Speaker A: Tough.
[00:38:05] Speaker B: That's from the man himself. I got new drops.
[00:38:08] Speaker C: Look. I almost had a panic attack. Well, I did have a panic attack and almost died. Okay? I didn't have a.
[00:38:13] Speaker B: You didn't almost die.
[00:38:14] Speaker C: It was so scary. I haven't had one like that in a long time. I just needed to chill this week. Okay.
[00:38:20] Speaker B: You know why I have so many clips?
[00:38:22] Speaker C: Why?
[00:38:23] Speaker A: I am a collector.
[00:38:26] Speaker B: That was me, Blake, by the way, saying that I just collect clips.
[00:38:32] Speaker C: That's true. He does.
[00:38:34] Speaker B: Can we think of any? Are there any more RRs to apply? Any more Reznor's rules we can apply based on what we learned today?
[00:38:43] Speaker C: Hmm.
Reznor's rules.
[00:38:46] Speaker B: Now, I can do that anytime I want now.
[00:38:51] Speaker C: Um, Stop using as much.
I don't know.
I feel on the spot to remember what I said in a previous episode, and I'm like, dude, once I say it, it's out of my mind. Okay, hold on.
[00:39:08] Speaker B: Reznor's rule. Try to sound like Marky Mark as much as possible.
I feel like Bill Maher. New rule.
[00:39:15] Speaker C: Good vibrations.
[00:39:15] Speaker A: Clip.
[00:39:15] Speaker C: New rule.
[00:39:16] Speaker B: Drop good vibrations.
[00:39:18] Speaker C: Mm.
[00:39:19] Speaker B: New rule.
[00:39:20] Speaker C: Uh huh.
[00:39:21] Speaker B: I mean, Reznor's rule.
[00:39:22] Speaker C: When you steal bass parts, hide them under layers and layers and layers of stone.
[00:39:27] Speaker B: Make them at least an octave lower so that no nose and then Bury.
[00:39:32] Speaker C: Them under layers of sound so no one can really hear them.
[00:39:36] Speaker B: Reznor's Rule. If you're going to copy the Pixies, make it go way harder.
[00:39:43] Speaker C: True.
[00:39:43] Speaker B: So people just think you're metal.
That's a Dave Grohl one too, wasn't it? Yeah, it is.
[00:39:51] Speaker C: Reznor's rule.
Make a drop.
[00:39:57] Speaker B: What?
[00:39:58] Speaker C: Do the drop.
[00:39:59] Speaker B: Okay, hang on.
[00:40:03] Speaker C: I don't have anything to add. I just wanted to hear the drop. No, if you're stealing lyrics, always steal or make homages to the dumbest lyrics you possibly can.
Okay, so no one understands it, and they just make fun of you for your arms. That flip, flop, flip.
[00:40:27] Speaker B: It's amongst the most made fun of lyrics. Let's see, what do we have? Slipping on the tears. You made me cry Just taught me how to kiss. Basically all the lyrics of that's what I Get poor.
[00:40:43] Speaker C: That's what I get. Someone's gotta be here to defend it.
[00:40:46] Speaker B: Nope, no one's here.
What else gets shit? I mean, people have different things that they don't like.
[00:40:53] Speaker C: But as far as lyrically, he rhymes whole with soul.
[00:40:58] Speaker B: A lot. Yeah, a lot. But that's not even among the chief offenders. When you compare it to stuff like, that's what I get.
[00:41:06] Speaker C: I don't know. I always thought the devil wants to fuck me in the back of his car was a dumb lyric, but people love it. I mean, it's funny.
[00:41:13] Speaker B: It is funny. See, that's that sense of humor coming out.
[00:41:17] Speaker C: But it's also, like, kind of dumb.
But that's just me.
[00:41:20] Speaker B: I'm okay with it.
I think I. It's like Reddit or something. Someone said, like, I pick things up. I'm a collector is a cringe lyric. And I'm like, that's not even Amongst the top 10 cringe lyrics of Wis. Teeth. I don't know what you're talking about.
Have we run out of shit to say?
[00:41:40] Speaker C: Um, I think so.
[00:41:43] Speaker B: Okay, well, it can just be a shorter one. Yeah, I gotta edit this and we got a lot of other stuff to do.
[00:41:50] Speaker C: Okay, so next time.
[00:41:52] Speaker B: Next time on Reznor's Rules, drop Reznor's Rules.
[00:41:59] Speaker C: One of Reznor's Rules is start with a concept album and then completely abandon it. So next time, I think we should talk about Bleed Through.
[00:42:08] Speaker B: Okay, That's a good teaser. That'll be the next bonus. You mean? Yes, the Bleed through concept. Before that bonus, It'll be Halo. Halo 19.
[00:42:19] Speaker C: Oh, my gosh. The album.
[00:42:21] Speaker B: The album we'll start It.
Do you like hearing us just go casual mode if you want to hear more. Like this text. Yes.
To nailed. Just type nailed in your phone.
[00:42:37] Speaker C: Don't send it anywhere. Just type it in your phone.
[00:42:39] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:42:41] Speaker C: Although we have been talking about having a voice message episode.
[00:42:45] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. And someone, a listener, said we should have a call in show.
[00:42:50] Speaker C: But we can't really have like a live show.
[00:42:52] Speaker B: We could.
[00:42:52] Speaker C: Could we?
[00:42:53] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:42:54] Speaker C: Like just using discord.
[00:42:56] Speaker B: Well, we could set up an Internet phone line. There's a number of ways. But we could have a live call in. Podcasts have done it and then you don't. It doesn't air live. I edit it.
[00:43:06] Speaker C: Well, no, obviously it doesn't air live.
[00:43:07] Speaker B: I'll edit later. But yeah, call in is good. But also I like the voice memo where people send us in voice memos and we play them.
[00:43:14] Speaker C: Yeah, I kind of like voice memos as a test. First of all, to make sure you're not just gonna send us a bunch of doody caca, I want you to take it seriously. Don't want any foul mouths.
[00:43:24] Speaker B: No foul language.
[00:43:26] Speaker C: No cursing.
[00:43:28] Speaker B: That's a Reznor's rule.
[00:43:30] Speaker C: Blake, drop it.
[00:43:33] Speaker B: No swears.
[00:43:34] Speaker C: No swears.
[00:43:36] Speaker B: Voice memos. So be thinking about more Reznors.
[00:43:38] Speaker C: Not swears.
[00:43:39] Speaker B: Ners. Jesus.
[00:43:42] Speaker C: Okay, sorry. What?
[00:43:44] Speaker B: Be thinking about what you'd want to send a voice memo. We got one cute one.
[00:43:48] Speaker C: You can send us stories or you can send us questions, or maybe we just want to hear your voice because we haven't heard some of you and your voices.
[00:43:56] Speaker B: It'd be nice to take a break from us talking and we get to hear other people's voices.
[00:44:00] Speaker C: So I think that'd be fun. You could send us stories. I mean, it has to be kind of tangentially related to Nine Inch Nails. Make it on topic with teeth era. It's probably good since that's what we're talking about.
[00:44:12] Speaker B: But it doesn't matter.
[00:44:13] Speaker C: It doesn't really matter. There's no look.
[00:44:15] Speaker B: Just has to be good.
[00:44:16] Speaker C: There's no rules.
Reznor's rules.
[00:44:19] Speaker B: Reznor's. Reznor's rules.
[00:44:22] Speaker C: There are no rules.
[00:44:23] Speaker B: I just think there might be no rules. I'm gonna insert.
Insert. Promise me you'll never do another thing. That's a rule. And then I'm gonna play the turnstile song.
[00:44:37] Speaker C: Perfect. I think that's a perfect ending for this episode.
[00:44:41] Speaker B: I'm just full on thievery of that music. Cause we're not doing commentary on it.
[00:44:47] Speaker C: That song's a bop.
[00:44:48] Speaker B: Though it is a real bop.
[00:44:49] Speaker C: It's good.
[00:44:50] Speaker B: I need the full album. We don't even have the song on streaming.
[00:44:53] Speaker C: It's not. I bet you could find it on YouTube.
[00:44:56] Speaker B: Yeah, but it's just from the show. I mean, I want a full high resolution stereo mix of the full song without the show intercut. You know what I mean?
[00:45:07] Speaker C: Mm, true.
[00:45:09] Speaker B: Anyway, Turnstile made a song for the sketch comedy. I Think youk Should Leave. You gotta hear it.
Okay.
[00:45:17] Speaker C: I love that. Popcorn.
[00:45:19] Speaker B: Popcorn.
[00:45:20] Speaker C: Popcorn and popcorn both. I love popcorn and popcorn.
[00:45:23] Speaker B: Jess unironically said and popcorn.
Yeah, Jess coined a phrase, popcorn. It's hardcore, but pop. And it's kind of a thing right now.
[00:45:34] Speaker C: It's Turnstile. It's military gun.
[00:45:36] Speaker B: It's the one you're just listening.
[00:45:39] Speaker C: The Armed.
[00:45:40] Speaker B: Yeah, Just came out.
[00:45:41] Speaker C: Yeah, they have pop hooks. Big pop hooks in these songs.
[00:45:46] Speaker B: Is dressed Drug church is not quite part of that, are they?
[00:45:49] Speaker C: Maybe kind of a little.
[00:45:50] Speaker B: They're a little more.
They're more on the hardcore side. But they're melodic enough that I can like them.
[00:45:58] Speaker C: Yes, that's true.
[00:45:59] Speaker B: And I don't generally like hardcore. I find it to be atonal.
Nothing to latch onto. I prefer post hardcore, like at the drive in.
Well, everybody's tuned out by now, so let's go to bed or hang out or whatever we're gonna do.
[00:46:18] Speaker C: All right, sounds good.
[00:46:19] Speaker B: Bye, everyone. Thank you.
[00:46:31] Speaker D: Everything you know Everything you know I.
[00:46:35] Speaker A: Don'T wanna go on listening.
[00:46:37] Speaker B: Everything you know Everything you know not just.
