Nailed Update: Nine Inch News & More!

[00:00:05] Speaker A: Step right up its nail the halo by Halo journey through the music of Nine Inch Nails. I'm Blake. [00:00:10] Speaker B: I'm Jessica. [00:00:11] Speaker A: And we are here to give an update. Update on the podcast and on Nine Inch Nails, because a lot of stuff happened when we decided to stop putting out podcasts temporarily and go on a little hiatus, and then they started doing all this stuff. [00:00:30] Speaker B: Yeah, it's kind of like in 2005 after waiting so long for with teeth, and I was like, oh, okay. That's what I get. And then I quit paying attention. [00:00:41] Speaker A: Yeah. And then they released 80 albums, and. [00:00:44] Speaker B: Then they released, like, 80 albums, and they were really good. And I'm like, son of a bitch. [00:00:49] Speaker A: Yep, you were lost. [00:00:50] Speaker B: And that's basically what happened just in a much more condensed timeline, while we. [00:00:54] Speaker A: Were paying attention and they did all the stuff. [00:00:57] Speaker B: We just weren't. [00:00:58] Speaker A: We weren't recording about it. We're like, ah, shit, we gotta do nine Inch news, basically. We're like, oh, we do a nine inch news segment about that, about the stuff going on with movie scores, about magazine interviews and big, crazy announcements that they've made since the last time you heard from us, and a million projects announced within that very GQ magazine interview. So we're going to talk about that stuff. Should we get to nine inch news? [00:01:30] Speaker B: Yes. [00:01:31] Speaker A: Oh, I have to drop. I don't have my sound board, but I'll drop in the sound later. [00:01:35] Speaker B: Okay. [00:01:35] Speaker A: I have to make a new one, too. I wonder what the nine ish news year zero sound drop is going to sound like. [00:01:41] Speaker B: So everything is in the news today. [00:01:46] Speaker A: Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross did a lot of things since we last were on the podcast. [00:01:53] Speaker B: We took a break, and then suddenly it was just like, shit is happening. And it was so annoying. [00:01:59] Speaker A: Yeah, I know. As soon as we were like, all right, we're taking a little breather. Just like, oh, we're dropping this. We're dropping that. We're dropping a GQ interview that. She's holding it up for the pod. We've got our copy. [00:02:12] Speaker B: That's right. The COVID boys of GQ's second annual global creativity awards. Trent Reznor. [00:02:19] Speaker A: They won a creativity award from a magazine. [00:02:24] Speaker B: What is going on? Actually, you know, it was kind of cool going, well, I guess we didn't actually. I ordered this from, like, a website. Cause I was like, I don't trust my Barnes and noble. [00:02:34] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:02:35] Speaker B: But whenever we went to Barnes, they had them there, and I was like, it's so cool seeing, like, my dude's on a newsstand. [00:02:41] Speaker A: Cover. I love it. Were there alt covers with, like, hunter shapes? [00:02:44] Speaker B: Yeah, so you could get some. I think Danny McBride was another one. [00:02:47] Speaker A: I never actually saw those anywhere. Glad we got the Reznor and Ross cover, though. And, boy, is there some fashion. We'll get into it. But first I want to talk about challengers. [00:02:57] Speaker B: Okay. [00:02:58] Speaker A: Challengers is a movie. A movie about tennis. I've listened to this Reznor and Ross score. Like, I blasted it in my car and elsewhere. Like, more than any other score of theirs, maybe. I just find it so listenable and so good. It's nonstop bangers. And the first thing they released, the first version of it was, like, an all banger DJ set. [00:03:24] Speaker B: That boy's noise. [00:03:26] Speaker A: Boys noise. This dj did. [00:03:29] Speaker B: Yeah. We don't have to get too into it. Cause we'll have probably a whole challengers. [00:03:32] Speaker A: Episode down the line, I'm sure, 20 years from now. [00:03:35] Speaker B: Not 20 years anyway. [00:03:38] Speaker A: But then they eventually dropped the full regular version of the score, which I think is even better. [00:03:46] Speaker B: I like both. I like the flow of the boys noise a lot. [00:03:50] Speaker A: It's got some cheesy, like, DJ. [00:03:51] Speaker B: Wait, did I say boys noise? [00:03:52] Speaker A: Yeah. Boys noise with a z. Yeah. [00:03:55] Speaker B: I always want to say noise, boys. [00:03:56] Speaker A: It's one guy. It's not two boys. It's just like. It kind of sounds nineties, early, two thousands club techno, but better. It's just so it has, like, this. [00:04:10] Speaker B: Like, eighties euro sleaze to it. I don't know if what I just said was offensive. [00:04:15] Speaker A: I'm sorry if it was just to Europeans. I think I love all of them. [00:04:21] Speaker B: Sleazy and non sleazy. That's all I. [00:04:24] Speaker A: And that's exactly what Luca Guadagnino. Did I say that right? [00:04:29] Speaker B: I think so. [00:04:29] Speaker A: Luca Guadagnino asked them for was euro sleaze dance club. [00:04:35] Speaker B: Hold on, hold on. Wait, wait, wait. I want to get the exact quote. [00:04:39] Speaker A: Yeah, I think it. Trent kept saying, like, in interviews, he wanted it to be very sexy. Very sexy. But he did like an accent. [00:04:49] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:04:50] Speaker A: There's a great pull quote from the GQ interview, though. [00:04:52] Speaker B: I wish I had his notes. Ross said his notes were so fucking funny on what each piece was meant to do. Oh, yeah. Reznor said unending homoerotic desire. It was all a variation on those three words. [00:05:05] Speaker A: And that sums up the movie, too. Unending homoerotic desire. [00:05:10] Speaker B: I know a lot of people seemed a little bit disappointed by it in our chord, actually. I think it's one of the best movies I've seen this year. It was just. Here's the thing. Luca Guadagnino, I think he's, like, an extremely stylish and talented director. His movies make me kind of want to die. Call me by your name. They are just bleak and sad and depressing in, like, every way possible. His suspiria remake. Not a huge fan of. [00:05:38] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:05:38] Speaker B: Although I do like the dance scenes. I thought those were cool anyway. But challengers was so different and fun, and I loved it. [00:05:46] Speaker A: It was nice to see something that was not bleak and was sexy. And lots of sports. [00:05:54] Speaker B: I don't. I like tennis, though. If I had. If someone was like, you have to watch a sport. You can only watch one sport. It would probably be tennis. My mom watched it. [00:06:02] Speaker A: So he made it real exciting to watch. Did crazy shots, were like, pov of the ball. That was a little much. Maybe. Personally, I think maybe the score is better than the movie. I listened to the score over and over. I don't think I'd watch the movie over and over. I think that happens with a lot of Reznor and Ross scores. I just like the score better than the movie. But the movie was pretty fine. [00:06:29] Speaker B: I liked it. [00:06:30] Speaker A: It entertained. Zendaya was amazing. That's all. [00:06:35] Speaker B: I just thought it was stylish and fun, that's all. Sometimes movies don't. Not every movie has to be Wayne's world, but I wish they were. [00:06:47] Speaker A: Good homoeroticism, good churro scene. [00:06:51] Speaker B: Good churro scene. [00:06:53] Speaker A: Okay, so that's challengers. Then the GQ interview happened. Actually, that happened before challengers dropped. [00:07:01] Speaker B: Okay, so I just want to read this one little. A couple little parts from this interview so we can talk about them. [00:07:07] Speaker A: Okay? [00:07:07] Speaker B: Okay. This year, Reznor and Ross are also starting a yet to be named company built around storytelling in multiple disciplines. Film production, fashion, a music festival, and adventure with Epic Games. [00:07:18] Speaker A: This is a lot. [00:07:19] Speaker B: Hold on. Then there's. So he talked about how he's excited about starting a new Nine Inch Nails record. So we'll come back to that in a second. Put a pin in that. And then this company that I. There was kind of a brief little blurb about in the beginning. Reznor and Ross spent the last two years putting together piece by piece with the help of John Crawford, their longtime art director, and the producer, Jonathan Pavese. I hope I said that right. Anyway, the idea was, what could they do that they hadn't already done around storytelling? Some of that might take the form of examining nine inch nails from yet another angle. We've been working on homegrown IP, around nine Inch Nails, stories we could tell, and we're working on developing those in a way that are not what you think they'd be, as in not a biopic. Can I ask you a question? [00:08:03] Speaker A: What on earth is that? No, go ahead. [00:08:06] Speaker B: You say biopic, or biopic does seem. [00:08:09] Speaker A: Biopic, because I'm not insane. [00:08:10] Speaker B: Okay, thank you. If you said biopic, I'd be like, we're getting a divorce. [00:08:16] Speaker A: Yeah, that's a bit weird. [00:08:17] Speaker B: No offense to. No offense to people who say, I told you, watching RuPaul, I'm gonna start talking like diabetics. [00:08:27] Speaker A: No offense, but you sucked up there. [00:08:31] Speaker B: No offense, but I'm better than you. Okay. Anyway, they also have a show in development with Christopher Storr, the creator of the bear, they said, and a film with the veteran horror director Mike Flanagandeh. [00:08:44] Speaker A: I'm interested in both of those things big time. [00:08:48] Speaker B: Do you think they're finally putting together. [00:08:49] Speaker A: The year zero show, like, 20 years late? [00:08:53] Speaker B: Yep. [00:08:54] Speaker A: Maybe that would be good for us, I guess. I highly doubt it. I highly doubt that's what it is. [00:08:59] Speaker B: Do you think Reznor's gonna move into the podcasting world with his buddy David? [00:09:03] Speaker A: His buddy David? Oh, ferrier. [00:09:05] Speaker B: Mm hmm. [00:09:06] Speaker A: Doubt it. I don't think Reznor is big into podcast, as he's mentioned to, but things could change. [00:09:14] Speaker B: I was just trying to think of unconventional storytelling ideas that they could actually do. So, tv shows, possible film. Also finishing up the score for two other movies. One of them was another Luca movie. [00:09:27] Speaker A: Yeah. And that one is. [00:09:29] Speaker B: I think it's called queer. [00:09:30] Speaker A: Just called queer. We don't know anything about it. Then there's another, a Sci-Fi thriller called the Gorgeous with Miles Teller and Anya Taylor Joy. I'm into that. [00:09:44] Speaker B: So we definitely have a couple of more scores on the horizon. We've got possible tv and film production. [00:09:52] Speaker A: And whatever homegrown IP around nin means. [00:09:56] Speaker B: Yeah, I don't know what that means. That's why I was, like, podcasting. I have no idea. Then what were the other things they said that they were working on the. [00:10:04] Speaker A: Clothing venture, which we'll get to what that might. We think that already came to pass, or I did. [00:10:09] Speaker B: Okay, and what else? [00:10:12] Speaker A: Short film with Susan Deacon. Suzanne Deacon. And, well, there's a part where that says their new clothing line won't feature any color. [00:10:21] Speaker B: I think that was what we. [00:10:22] Speaker A: Yeah, it was a joke, but music festival and record label to debut around the same time. That's a lot. [00:10:31] Speaker B: This is a lot of stuff to take on as you're approaching 60. [00:10:33] Speaker A: This is a fucking lot. How many of these things do you think will really happen? [00:10:37] Speaker B: Okay, well, we. We have some of the clothing stuff, but it has not been, like, a nine inch nails or reznor line. Right. So welcome. Skateboards did a collab for the 30th anniversary of the downward spiral. [00:10:49] Speaker A: Right. [00:10:50] Speaker B: So they had, like, some, like, I got a. I guess it's a t shirt that looks like it's layered. So it's kind of one of those. Faux layered. [00:10:59] Speaker A: Yeah, I got a t shirt and a jacket. Didn't get a skateboard deck because don't skate. You don't need that. [00:11:05] Speaker B: Although I was like, man, that would look so pretty hanging up. But then I'd feel like the world's biggest. [00:11:08] Speaker A: That's too much shit on the walls. It would be a good studio piece. [00:11:12] Speaker B: And then there was the collab that I manifested with Doctor martin's. [00:11:17] Speaker A: Right. Doctor Martin himself. You've been saying this, I think, for how long? [00:11:24] Speaker B: A long time. Listen to early episodes of the pod where I talk about it. [00:11:28] Speaker A: So that was a big deal in this household. [00:11:32] Speaker B: I lost my mind, and I was like, if I don't get these, I might die. [00:11:37] Speaker A: Right. Luckily, you were able to get them, so you didn't have to do anything drastic. [00:11:42] Speaker B: I did not. I did not. I just happened to be there. They put them up a minute early. I will tell you that. I just sat there and refreshed my browser over and over, and they were up, like, at 959 or 1059. I don't know what time, but it was like 1 minute early. And so it was fast enough for me to pick my size. Adam. To cart and check out. [00:11:58] Speaker A: You cheated. [00:11:59] Speaker B: I did not cheat. I refreshed. [00:12:03] Speaker A: We didn't get the. We didn't win the contest to get the cool, unique boots. Those were maybe the best looking ones that only, like, five people got. [00:12:13] Speaker B: I think it was more than five. [00:12:15] Speaker A: Oh, okay. [00:12:16] Speaker B: They were cool because a lot of celebrities who were, like, friends of got them. [00:12:20] Speaker A: They had friend giveaways, I guess. [00:12:22] Speaker B: Yeah. But there were one of who didn't someone win them from our discord. [00:12:28] Speaker A: Yeah, I think one of our listeners, one of our patrons got a pair, which is awesome. [00:12:34] Speaker B: Yep. [00:12:36] Speaker A: Of the giveaway boots. I mean. [00:12:38] Speaker B: Yeah. By the way, the boots are amazing. I think they look really cool, and I love them. [00:12:41] Speaker A: Yeah, they look good. [00:12:42] Speaker B: I did not get the Oxfords. Cannot confirm those. [00:12:45] Speaker A: The ones that look like they have cornstarch on them. That was a neat idea. [00:12:50] Speaker B: I love them. Cause the soles are like, clear. Yeah, that's like the bozo boots. And I was like, I love it. [00:12:56] Speaker A: Love detail. [00:12:57] Speaker B: Mm hmm. [00:12:58] Speaker A: Then there are some others that have downward spiral art on them. More stuff mentioned in GQ. [00:13:06] Speaker B: Oh, sorry. I got ahead of myself. Sorry. [00:13:09] Speaker A: I liked the stuff about their studio that the interviewer went to their studio and talked about it a bit. Like, apparently there are in addition to many synthesizers, of course there are black clad mannequins in the studio. He just kind of mentions casually. I'm like, wait, what's what? Apparently they keep creepy mannequins in their workspace and their working hours are Monday to Friday, 11:00 a.m. to seven. [00:13:33] Speaker B: Let me tell you, that's the perfect time to work if you're like me. Because I'm not a morning person. [00:13:38] Speaker A: Me neither. It makes me feel good that not everyone as they get older has to be an early morning person. [00:13:43] Speaker B: No. And I wish that jobs were more accommodating. Like when I get to work I feel like I'm not really doing anything or being productive until about 1030 anyway. Yeah, but a lot of that is also because of the way like just all the meetings and shit you have to do every morning. It's so dumb. Anyway, I'm off that. But yeah, whenever I worked at Barnes and Noble and I got a mid shift, I was like, fuck yes. Yes. Eleven to 730. Best. [00:14:10] Speaker A: Best shifts. That's when I work best. Of course it probably allows him to be a family man in the morning, get all the kids to school. Guess that makes sense. Doesn't have to interfere with. With work. I wanted to mention what Atticus Ross meant. Said that his dad opened a studio or his dad opened a club in LA called Flippers Roller Boogie palace. And it was like Studio 54 on roller skates is what he called it. [00:14:44] Speaker B: I wish I could have gone. I can't roller skate. I still want to learn. If there's anyone in the local area who wants to teach me this. [00:14:50] Speaker A: I probably haven't skated in 30 years so I've probably forgotten by now, but. Flippers roller boogie Palace. Trent was playing cello on the sessions for the gorge movie score, what they described, which I thought was cool. And he was apparently singing something. I don't know if that will end up on the score or nothing, but I thought that was interesting. [00:15:12] Speaker B: There was also a synthesizer that they cannot say make a model of. [00:15:16] Speaker A: I think it's. Yeah, it's like trade secrets. It was doing a lot of the work somehow and they didn't want other people to know which one it was. Music festival and record label are big ones that. We'll see if those happen. We'll see, I hope. [00:15:32] Speaker B: I think it's possible that the collaborations with Flanagan and Stora are more likely than these other things. [00:15:41] Speaker A: Yeah. The stuff that involves other creators, other people who have shows and movies with deadlines. I think those are going to happen. [00:15:49] Speaker B: Yes. [00:15:50] Speaker A: The things that are more abstract, personal projects. We all make more plans than we actually do. Like, I've got big ideas for my own personal projects, but will it happen? Maybe. I hope the music festival happens because it sounds cool. Because apparently they're playing it as composers, not as the band. I mean, we all want to see the band. [00:16:13] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:16:14] Speaker A: And he did Tee's new nin album. They feel like they're ready and excited to do one. So we have to talk about this photo shoot. So it got a lot of people talking, obviously, and most of you have probably seen it, but we're going to describe it anyway, I think. Right? [00:16:35] Speaker B: Yeah. So these are. [00:16:36] Speaker A: Tell me what you see. [00:16:37] Speaker B: Well, these were photographs by Danielle Levitt and our dudes. [00:16:42] Speaker A: It's the Trent at Atticus. It says Dark Kingdom and it's almost like a metal font. Like a really spiky font. Not a font, but this insane script. [00:16:57] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:16:58] Speaker A: And then they are bleeding out the eyes and mouth. Bleeding black blood. Atticus turned into Billie Eilish in the when the party's over music video, crying black blood. And they're wearing all black, obviously, of course. [00:17:16] Speaker B: And restaurants got the black goo. Got black goo. Mouth. [00:17:19] Speaker A: What was people's reaction? [00:17:21] Speaker B: I don't know. [00:17:21] Speaker A: Is mixed. [00:17:22] Speaker B: I think it's mixed. I still have mixed feelings. [00:17:24] Speaker A: This set is weird. It's weird, folks. These guys are weird. Is that what Tim Walsh says? [00:17:32] Speaker B: I guess. I don't know. So, yeah, I just. I don't know how to feel about it. It's not that I think they look bad or that their clothes are bad or anything. I mean, it's the one that gave us Trent in, like, the Trent. [00:17:52] Speaker A: Okay. [00:17:53] Speaker B: Trent I and his flowing robes. He looks. [00:17:55] Speaker A: Hands folded in front of him. [00:17:56] Speaker B: Looks like a Star wars character. [00:17:58] Speaker A: He does. He has Jedi robes, but they're black. [00:18:01] Speaker B: Yeah. Atticus is rocking like a. Atticus is. [00:18:05] Speaker A: Made to look cool with his shades and gold chain. Coolest he's ever looked. [00:18:11] Speaker B: Maybe he's got on a few turns. [00:18:14] Speaker A: The next he's got a different pair of, like, oakley's on. [00:18:18] Speaker B: They're like very 90, very exaggerated wraparounds almost. Yeah, like the Jonathan Davis or something. [00:18:25] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:18:26] Speaker B: Yeah. Anyway. [00:18:27] Speaker A: Okay, what else do we have? [00:18:29] Speaker B: I think that the one that the image that has people most confused might be this one. I don't know what's happening here. [00:18:38] Speaker A: Okay. [00:18:40] Speaker B: Can I say my first thought? [00:18:41] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:18:42] Speaker B: Okay. The image I'm talking about is the one where Reznor has a box on his head. [00:18:46] Speaker A: Yes. [00:18:47] Speaker B: And next to him is a chair, and the back of it has a, like, happy face cut out. And the shadows, like, projected of it behind it. And Reznor has a box on his head, and it looks like a kid drew a circle on it. [00:19:03] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:19:04] Speaker B: I don't know. [00:19:05] Speaker A: Can I describe it? [00:19:06] Speaker B: What? [00:19:07] Speaker A: You know, the plastic patio chairs? Two of those, but they're goth, and one has a, like you said, happy face cut out of the back. Trent is sitting in the other one. [00:19:20] Speaker B: I wonder what's cut out of the back of that one. [00:19:23] Speaker A: We'll never know. Cause his back is on it, but he. Yeah, he's got, like, a. Like, a kid would make a spaceman helmet out of a box and cut a circle hole in the front. He looks really angry looking out of it, though. [00:19:35] Speaker B: Yeah, I know. Real mad. I would be mattified to do that, too. [00:19:40] Speaker A: Big boots and then more Atticus with, like, different shades on, I think, standing over Trent, who's sitting with his hands on a skull. I think Trent has the chain this time. And Atticus is wearing this wrap, all black, of course. Was that the last one? Yeah, it was. [00:20:03] Speaker B: I think so. [00:20:04] Speaker A: Very. The skull thing. It's, like, very Edgar Allan Poe or something. [00:20:08] Speaker B: That's what I was thinking. It's, like, grown up Goth. I don't know, but I think the thing that confuses me is the box on the head of. [00:20:15] Speaker A: Yeah, that's. [00:20:16] Speaker B: I don't know what's going on. [00:20:16] Speaker A: That's the one that people. [00:20:17] Speaker B: I don't know. The theme of the shoot. I can't figure it out. Are they playing on goth tropes? [00:20:22] Speaker A: Maybe a little. [00:20:23] Speaker B: A little bit. What's the box? [00:20:24] Speaker A: It's Dark Kingdom. That's the theme. [00:20:26] Speaker B: I know. [00:20:27] Speaker A: Don't know what the box means, but that's the one people have the most problem with. I think he doesn't look happy to be there. [00:20:34] Speaker B: Anyway. [00:20:35] Speaker A: Decide for yourself. We're just reporting what happened and what it looks like. [00:20:41] Speaker B: Wasn't there an announcement recently? Another score that's coming out? [00:20:46] Speaker A: Yeah. What I thought was crazy, that there was no mention of this in the GQ article, and it seems kind of big. [00:20:53] Speaker B: Well, this was written. It was written in the winter of 2024. I mean, this is the. [00:21:00] Speaker A: But I'm sure they've been working on. [00:21:01] Speaker B: It, April May issue, and he was talking about how it was winter when he was interviewing them. So it was probably late 2023, early 2024, that the journalist was meeting with them. So they might not even have known about it yet. [00:21:13] Speaker A: Yeah, but also they might have been working on it for a long time. And Disney said, you can't say anything. I think that's likely. [00:21:20] Speaker B: When is this movie coming out? Isn't it next year? [00:21:22] Speaker A: This is Tron, by the way. I think it's next year. [00:21:25] Speaker B: Yeah. No, they probably just found out. [00:21:27] Speaker A: They have, like, 3 seconds of music completed so far, and it was used in the reveal at the Disney convention. But it's called Tron Colon, maybe Tron Aries. [00:21:39] Speaker B: But what's different about this is that it's not a Reznor Ross. It's a Nine Inch Nails album, or it's performed or kind of. [00:21:47] Speaker A: It's under Nin, not under Reznor and Ross, which is. [00:21:52] Speaker B: So is this the album that he was kind of excited to start working on? And then he's like, I don't know. Disney approached him, and he's like, hey, my album is actually kind of sounding trawny, so fuck it. [00:22:03] Speaker A: I am excited. And this could replace challengers as the score that I most listen to. [00:22:11] Speaker B: Mine is probably gone girl or Vietnam War, but challengers are up there. [00:22:16] Speaker A: Interesting. I love that they are following Daft Punk, one of my other favorite bands. Like, what a great. I can't think of anyone better to follow that up. The. The previous daft punk score, which I listened to a bit. Not that much, but it was good. But then they released random access memories that I was way more interested in and blew that away. But anyway, neutron movie. Don't know much about it. Big hype. [00:22:46] Speaker B: Mm hmm. Will I go see it? Probably not. Will I listen to the score? We will. [00:22:50] Speaker A: We will see it. Yeah, you're going. [00:22:55] Speaker B: Like, I haven't seen any Tron movies. [00:22:56] Speaker A: Okay, well, we're watching. [00:22:57] Speaker B: I don't care about Tron. I don't care about James Bond. I don't care. [00:23:00] Speaker A: We're watching them. You like it? I think you have to watch the Tron movies, all of, all three with me, because you owe me for something we just did, for something I was just forced to do. [00:23:15] Speaker B: You loved it. [00:23:17] Speaker A: No, I did not. I was forced to watch the remake of Crow 30 years later. [00:23:25] Speaker B: Okay, number one, it's not a remake. It's not it's considered, like, another adaptation. Of the comic book. Yes, of the comic book. [00:23:34] Speaker A: Okay. Well, still, they had to put something out there to keep the rights, I guess. [00:23:38] Speaker B: Probably. I have no idea. [00:23:39] Speaker A: Boy, did they put something out there. [00:23:44] Speaker B: We survived. I mean, I think that's important. Okay. Okay. Was it as bad as you thought it was going to? [00:23:50] Speaker A: No, it was not. But it was way, way more gross. [00:23:52] Speaker B: Than I thought it was. There was a lot of body horror that I was surprised by. Here's the thing is, I think that that director, and I'm saying this is someone who's never seen any of his movies and only knows the gossip about him, which is. That was it. During the filming of Snow White and the Huntsman, he had an affair with Kristen Stewart. [00:24:11] Speaker A: I did not know this. [00:24:12] Speaker B: Yes. This was all over the tablet. [00:24:14] Speaker A: I don't know the director's name. [00:24:16] Speaker B: I think it's, like, Rupert Sanders. Look him up. But he was married to Liberty Ross, Atticus Ross's sister at the time, and they divorced because of his infidelity, and she ended up marrying Jimmy Iovine. That's right. So weird. [00:24:38] Speaker A: Now, Jimmy Iovine's brother in law to Atticus Ross. It's all weird. [00:24:41] Speaker B: Mm hmm. [00:24:44] Speaker A: The Crow 1994 director gloats over remake bombing at box office. Yes, he did bomb, by the way. [00:24:51] Speaker B: But I think he's a director that doesn't really have a lot of his own visual style and just steals from other directors who are much more visionary and skillful. For example, that title opening title sequence, what did it remind you of as we watched it? I leaned over and said this immediately. [00:25:09] Speaker A: It was a direct knockoff of David Fincher's Girl with the dragon tattoo intro with the amazing music by Reznor and. [00:25:18] Speaker B: Karen O. Yeah, I just don't think he's. I think he's just the guy you can call who gets the job done, but doesn't really necessarily have a lot of his own style. Does that make sense? [00:25:29] Speaker A: Yeah, I guess so. [00:25:31] Speaker B: I don't know. [00:25:31] Speaker A: Yeah, it is Rupert Sanders, Snow White, and the Huntsman ghost in the shell, which everyone loved. [00:25:38] Speaker B: That was the one with Scarlett Johansson, right? [00:25:40] Speaker A: Yes. [00:25:40] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Didn't see that. [00:25:43] Speaker A: Okay. Anyway. [00:25:44] Speaker B: Anyway, yeah, so I will say I don't think it detracts if you're like me and you came of age with the first Crow movie in 1994 with Brandon Lee. I want to say that it does not detract from that at all. [00:26:01] Speaker A: Like, no, it's not. [00:26:02] Speaker B: Like, it's such a totally different movie. [00:26:05] Speaker A: It's not like the first Crow movie. [00:26:06] Speaker B: The vibes at all. The vibes are weird. The tone is weird. I was so perplexed by everything that it made it kind of intriguing to. [00:26:14] Speaker A: Watch because it was pretty perplexing. [00:26:17] Speaker B: I just didn't understand a lot of the decisions that they made. But whatever. [00:26:22] Speaker A: Mostly it was musical decisions I didn't get. That's why we're talking about this music. It did not have any nine Inch nails. [00:26:30] Speaker B: No, no, no. [00:26:31] Speaker A: But it did have Joy Division and Gary Newman. The Gary Neumann. [00:26:36] Speaker B: That was really weird. [00:26:37] Speaker A: Made zero sense, I guess. Well, I won't spoil it. There's no. There's Joy Division, but it's not dead souls. [00:26:47] Speaker B: Mm hmm. And it's disorder, I think. [00:26:50] Speaker A: Yeah, I think so. And it. It doesn't really. That's not. I would pick one of their darker songs. [00:26:57] Speaker B: I don't know. It was just, like I said, everything about that movie was just so perplexing that I just. I don't know. I had to keep watching. But honestly, I didn't hate it as much as I thought I would. But I will never watch it again, probably. [00:27:10] Speaker A: I thought I would be, like, cringing the whole time, and I wasn't. I was. I was bored. I was cringing during some of the extreme gore. [00:27:20] Speaker B: Mm hmm. The violence was way. It was way more violent. Yeah. [00:27:24] Speaker A: For my taste. [00:27:25] Speaker B: It made me miss the days. Like, I hate modern action films that are so realistic. Sorry. But it made me, like, I was thinking about the crow and, like, how there's the scene near the end when they're, like, all shooting at him when he comes to, like, the gangster hideout and they're all there having, like, their bad guy meeting. You know what I'm talking about? [00:27:43] Speaker A: Yeah. I love bad guy meetings. [00:27:44] Speaker B: I love bad guy meetings. Not enough bad guy meetings in this movie. [00:27:47] Speaker A: No, we need to do a good one. [00:27:49] Speaker B: And by that, I mean, like, a big meeting, like, with everyone. Like, all your. All your shareholders are there anyway, so. But they're all, like, shooting, right? And there's just bullets going everywhere. But there's not, like, blood and disgusting guts and stuff everywhere. Like, there's even people who are doing, like, the. Like, the shake. [00:28:06] Speaker A: Like, there has machine gun shake. [00:28:08] Speaker B: Yeah, but it's not, like, violent and disgusting. It gets the point across without making me want to vomit. [00:28:15] Speaker A: Right. If you like the gross stuff, you may dig it, but that's just us. Anyway, talk too much about the damn crow. 2024. [00:28:26] Speaker B: I had to do it. And my friend Josh wore crow makeup. [00:28:30] Speaker A: Give a shout out as a long running inside joke. Our friend did poorly put on. Not that badly put on, actually, chrome. [00:28:39] Speaker B: Makeup, but he was stopped by the gentle or the people who are ricking the front desk at the Alamo, and they were like, you can't. [00:28:46] Speaker A: That's kind of fascist. Honestly. You can't wear makeup. [00:28:49] Speaker B: Well, it's like cosplay, buddy. You're showing the crow. I'm obviously the crow. 2024. [00:28:55] Speaker A: How. Where do you draw the line between makeup that, like, a woman might wear for fashion reasons. [00:29:02] Speaker B: Exactly. [00:29:02] Speaker A: Versus Josh's white makeup? Yeah, it's stupid. Don't have rules like that. That's dumb. [00:29:10] Speaker B: But I think they just stopped and made sure he wasn't, like, an insane, like, a person who was up to no good is what I'm saying. Cause we do live in a country where people do show up with face paint and shoot people. [00:29:19] Speaker A: If he had a guy Fawkes mask on. Sure. Cause we don't know who's under there. [00:29:25] Speaker B: Yes. [00:29:25] Speaker A: We obviously know who's under the crow makeup. [00:29:28] Speaker B: That's right. That's Eric. Anyway, so they did make him wipe it off a little bit, which just made it look better. [00:29:36] Speaker A: It actually did because Brandon Lee's makeup runs and gets messed up in the movie. Looked good. So we have to talk about the Patreon tears. Right. Sorry to put this business in the main feed, but it's got to be. Gotta be said. We'll try to be as brief as possible. Patron picks are being retired. We're sunsetting patron picks in the bonus feed. For a few reasons. There was not that much interest in them. [00:30:11] Speaker B: By that you mean like subscribers? Not necessarily like people listening, but more? [00:30:16] Speaker A: Maybe a little of both. [00:30:17] Speaker B: Okay. [00:30:18] Speaker A: I don't actually have numbers on people listening, so don't quote me on that. Not that many people were interested in choosing patron picks, relatively. [00:30:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:30:29] Speaker A: And we felt that we couldn't do a good enough job. Like, we couldn't do these topics proud, and especially when we go into artists outside of nine Inch Nails and albums that we're not familiar enough with. [00:30:46] Speaker B: Yeah. And we were just kind of beating ourselves up. Yeah, kind of over it. Especially me, which I beat myself up over everything anyway, all the time, constantly. So I just felt like I wasn't doing some of the content justice. [00:31:02] Speaker A: Yeah. It was like we were being tourists with artists and music that we didn't have any business talking about, really. And we'd rather stick to the band we already know and love. Maybe another thing was that between eras, I think it really prolonged. Like, the more people we added to it, the more it prolonged the space between albums that we could work on. So we had to spend less time researching nen stuff and more on these other topics. Meaning it delays us getting through this discography. [00:31:42] Speaker B: Yeah, and I haven't even been able to do my nothing records series that I wanted to do. [00:31:47] Speaker A: It takes away from stuff like that. The stuff we really should do. [00:31:49] Speaker B: Like, nothing should have done it a while ago. I'm sorry. [00:31:54] Speaker A: Not that we didn't like doing the topics that patrons chose, but we just feel it's better this way. And we figured it's not really going to offend anybody if we stopped. It's not going to hurt anybody's feelings, really. I made sure everybody who wanted one got one, or at least I sent like ten messages. So there is one exception that we're going to do before we stop, and it is. The Ninterns selection will be our final, but that's less of a patron selection and more of a team member selection. So we'll do a sort of thank you appreciation episode for him. [00:32:44] Speaker B: Also, we're still gonna have our normal bonus episodes for patrons, so I don't want anyone to think we're phasing those out. We'll still have those. [00:32:50] Speaker A: There'll be a bonus feed, of course. [00:32:52] Speaker B: And there might be some things that I've overlooked or maybe something that I thought wasn't really that important and just send me episode ideas. If you're a patron, just send me some subjects that you think might be interesting if we have missed them. Because I do like to have bonus episode ideas, and maybe mine aren't the best. I don't know. [00:33:12] Speaker A: So yours are good, but you can still, even if you're not a patron, you can still submit ideas for bonus episodes, and we'll still consider that. So you don't even have to pay us. But ideas are always welcome. So sunsetting patron picks. So that means the great destroyer tier on the Patreon will no longer have the patron pick thing. Obviously, for now it's just going to be if you want to pay $20 and some people do for that tier, you're welcome to and it's appreciated. You also get a 30% discount on merch when you're on that tier. As far as other benefits and stuff, I guess we'll have to think about that, right? Maybe we'll revamp the tears at some point. [00:34:06] Speaker B: Maybe. [00:34:07] Speaker A: Yeah, we have to think still. [00:34:08] Speaker B: Yeah, it's time to revamp. [00:34:10] Speaker A: Yeah, we're still working on the Patreon work in progress. [00:34:13] Speaker B: We're just trying to create a model that's more doable and yet still have a life, I guess, is what we're trying to say. [00:34:20] Speaker A: Yeah, pretty much, yeah. That's why we take these breaks, I guess. [00:34:24] Speaker B: We should probably maybe thank new patrons who have signed up with us. [00:34:29] Speaker A: Yeah. Shoutouts to people who have subscribed to the Patreon. And it's been so long since we shouted people out that there are a lot of people. And some of the people I read, they may not even be patrons anymore because people come and go, and they have come and gone over the last several months, and that's fine. And if I read your name, even if you're not subscribed anymore, it means you gave us money anyway. So I'm thankful if you gave us any money. I am grateful whether you stayed or not, because we all sign up for things and then, like Netflix, you subscribe, you unsubscribe, you come back when there's something you want to hear. I'm guessing people will come back for our next season. We'll see a little bump in that, maybe. But you don't care about that. You're here to listen to the free feed, so we should get on with it. Okay. I'm gonna read some names off. Thank you to those people. And very sorry if I. If you did sign up and I miss you. That's also quite possible. Patreon makes it really hard to keep track. So thank you to Matthew, Paul, Lucas, Sam, Carlos, and some people. Maybe I read your name twice. I'm gonna do it anyway. Sarah. Thank you. Monica. [00:35:53] Speaker B: That's not my sister. [00:35:54] Speaker A: No. I feel like I'm doing mambo number five, though. Sarah. A little bit of Monica, a little bit of Emma. Emma's the next person. All these. [00:36:05] Speaker B: Is there another ica on there? [00:36:06] Speaker A: Feminine names ending in, uh. We'll see. I don't know. We have C. John Beckyus. Good name. Dylan. Chloe. Or Chloe. I never know which. Sorry. Seven y. I hope it's 70. [00:36:22] Speaker B: I think it's her. [00:36:23] Speaker A: I don't think it is, though. I can see a last name, but I'm not reading it because privacy. [00:36:26] Speaker B: Well, maybe she uses a fake last name. [00:36:28] Speaker A: We have someone named Robin. [00:36:30] Speaker B: That's right. I think it's the swedish pop star Robin. [00:36:33] Speaker A: I think it's fink because it's r I r o b I n. R o b y n. Okay, so it's definitely Robin Fink. Thank you, Bradley. I don't know how far to go back. Cooper. Bradley Cooper. Yes. Oh, gotta think shaky ghost. [00:36:49] Speaker B: Oh, shaky ghost. [00:36:51] Speaker A: Will. Brian mcKnight. Will was Will Smith, by the way. [00:36:58] Speaker B: Mm hmm. [00:36:59] Speaker A: Andrew and Ben. Someone named Rin. Rin. [00:37:06] Speaker B: R I n. Yeah. [00:37:09] Speaker A: Ralph. Good name. [00:37:10] Speaker B: Nader. [00:37:13] Speaker A: Josh Clark. Sure. [00:37:17] Speaker B: From stuff you should know, right? Isn't his name. [00:37:20] Speaker A: Yeah, that's him. [00:37:21] Speaker B: Okay. [00:37:21] Speaker A: I don't think I read her name yet, but ixie joined a while back. It's been so long since we did this. I can't remember if I read her name. But we know who that is. Okay. If I didn't read your name and you want to shout out, hit me up. Dm us. Sorry for those I didn't read, read twice or, you know, whatever. When we get into year zero and stuff, if you have an idea, like, oh, they have to talk about this on a bonus episode. Dm us. We don't want to miss anything good. [00:37:54] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:37:55] Speaker A: If you were at the year zero secret show, you have to get in touch with us. You have to. [00:38:03] Speaker B: Yes. [00:38:04] Speaker A: Nailedpodmail.com, comma, Instagram, wherever, discord. [00:38:10] Speaker B: If you had one of those phones, you have to contact us. [00:38:13] Speaker A: Yeah, but I won't get too much into that stuff yet. [00:38:18] Speaker B: If you found a flash drive in a bathroom at a concert, I want to know who. You have to contact us. [00:38:23] Speaker A: I don't know who it was. It's not like it was meathead or something. [00:38:28] Speaker B: Here's the thing is, it would have had to have been. What did they look like? I don't even have little, like, symbols or logos on them because I don't think I would take a flash drive I found at a concert and think, ooh, I should stick this in my computer unless it was somehow marked in a way that made me think, okay, this is. [00:38:44] Speaker A: You have. I don't think they were marked, but you have to realize that meinishnails fans are nerds. And if they do, if you find a usb stick at a nin show, you are going to say, I have to stick this in a computer. [00:39:00] Speaker B: Okay. [00:39:00] Speaker A: I don't care what it is. [00:39:02] Speaker B: All right. [00:39:03] Speaker A: It's probably something good. [00:39:04] Speaker B: Okay. Anyway, sorry to get off track a little bit. [00:39:06] Speaker A: Yeah, we're jumping ahead. We can't get into that yet. [00:39:08] Speaker B: No. [00:39:09] Speaker A: So Patreon business over. I think there is one more patron pick in the pipeline. It's more like team pick, like part of our team. And I don't want to give away anything, but that's what we'll be doing. I think the next bonus episode we. [00:39:25] Speaker B: Have and I might come back to topics we explored in bonus episodes or in patron picks in later bonus episodes. So if there's some threads that I dropped, I'll probably come back to them. Anyway, that's all I want to say. [00:39:38] Speaker A: And we're very sorry. Content has been slim, and there won't be a lot of content until year zero. Stuff drops, and sorry for that. We will be doing giveaways. I've got some of those prepared. So we're still doing those monthly, or maybe even more than monthly in the next few weeks here. We're still active on Discord, though, and still, still on Instagram, so still memeing, if you count that as content. I do that every so often. Man. The memes I've got for the next season, though, I've been waiting to do these shitposts. People don't even know. Okay, one more thing. Like Columba. One more thing. [00:40:29] Speaker B: Just one more thing. [00:40:30] Speaker A: I put out a new nailed mashup album. It's called maybe I'm all mashed up. Volume two, part two. Can't remember what I called it, but you can. You can now download it and listen for free at nailedpod dot bandcamp.com. follow us on Bandcamp. All the mashups from the with teeth era and a few fragile and other stuff is now available in glorious wave format, so you can hear the full versions of stuff you've heard on the podcast. So excited about that. Go check that out. Okay. The people probably won an Oscar update since it's been a long time. Oscar is doing well, and I think sleeping in the next room right now, I'm surprised he's not in here making noise. [00:41:27] Speaker B: Here's the thing. We might have less Oscar appearances. We took him to the vet, and he has kidney arthritis, so they gave us some gabapentin, which she said would also help with possible anxiety. Like, if we're gone and he comes in here looking for us and cries, that kind of thing, it helps with. [00:41:48] Speaker A: The pain as well. [00:41:49] Speaker B: Yes, and also the pain. But one of the side effects is that it might help with anxiety issues. [00:41:55] Speaker A: So he's been a little more sleepy, but I think he's just getting used to it. [00:41:58] Speaker B: Yeah. So we're watching him, but he's doing good. [00:42:01] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:42:02] Speaker B: Doctor said he looks good. [00:42:03] Speaker A: Cute as ever. [00:42:04] Speaker B: Mm hmm. [00:42:05] Speaker A: It's hard to take him to the vet. Yeah, he hates it, but, yeah, he's here. We promise. Oscar was also shouted out on a podcast for being a member. As we were, we were shouted out, and so was Oscar. Well, Jessica's name was Red, and me and Oscar were read as an afterthought later. [00:42:28] Speaker B: Well, you didn't write the email or send the beautiful pictures of our son in, so whatever. [00:42:34] Speaker A: That's true. It was the podcast with Gourley and Rust. They talk about horror movies, and they liked our pictures of Oscar watching. What was he watching? [00:42:46] Speaker B: Texas Chainsaw and Candyman. [00:42:50] Speaker A: Candyman. [00:42:51] Speaker B: But I have a ton. I have so many of him watching Freddy, but all the images are so disturbing. I can't post them anywhere. [00:42:57] Speaker A: He really is, like, into the tv screen. [00:43:00] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:43:01] Speaker A: So that was fun. [00:43:02] Speaker B: He's getting famous, y'all. Okay, moving on. Let's wrap this up. [00:43:08] Speaker A: What's next? Yeah, to wrap up, we will be back. [00:43:11] Speaker B: Mm hmm. [00:43:13] Speaker A: What? [00:43:15] Speaker B: Did you hear that? [00:43:16] Speaker A: No. [00:43:19] Speaker B: Listen, listen. [00:43:20] Speaker A: I don't know what you're talking about. [00:43:23] Speaker B: Am I going? You can't hear that? [00:43:25] Speaker A: Stop. Let's continue. We're almost done. You all know what's coming next. I don't need to elaborate. People are excited. [00:43:35] Speaker B: You really don't hear that? [00:43:37] Speaker A: No. My hearing is God awful from decades of playing the drums and being in bands. So I can't hear the things that you can hear. It just sounds like it's probably radio interference. [00:43:48] Speaker B: Yeah, it's like. Remember that one time when I told you and you had to turn up the. [00:43:52] Speaker A: I know. Some cable, some bad cable was picking up radio rf interference. [00:43:58] Speaker B: That's probably what it is. I'll ignore it. [00:43:59] Speaker A: So we'll be back. Sorry about the lack of stuff, but we will be back as soon as we can. Making as much good stuff for you as we can. 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